Counting to 7 the Kingsguard way

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Counting to 7 the Kingsguard way

Postby DonalWarren » Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:09 pm

I listened to the podcast about how the undead Mountain could join the Kingsguard when it had 7 members(Jamie in Dorne, Meryn in Braavos and the 5 seen with Tommen at the Great Sept). Lets review really quick. In the books the members at the beginning of the story were Barristan, Jamie, meryn, Mandon Moore, Preston Greenfield, Boros Blount and Arys Oakheart). Over the show all are mentioned except Arys. Lets assume as happened in the books that Arys is the one that escorts Myrcella to Dorne.

Season 1 - Barristan is removed. The Hound takes his place(which is a big irony due to his contempt for the hypocrisy of knighthood).

Season 2 - Mandon is killed by Pod while trying to assassinate Tyrion. The Hound deserts at the Blackwater. No replacements named. No kingsguard were killed during the riots unlike the books(Ser Preston)

Season 3 - Nothing of note except the infamous Bronn vs. the Kingsguard(Meryn and one other) moment in the first episode. No known losses.

Season 4 - Jamie goes over security with Meryn and Joffrey. He posts Preston, then has Boros guard the entertainment(actually kind of funny if you think about it compared to the books)

Season 5 - Obviously Arys returned from Dorne. If he was alive, Jamie would team up with him. But he clearly wasn't with Myrcella. If he were dead, I think it would've been mentioned as well as a good reason to recall her. So we have Jamie there, Meryn in Braavos and the 5 at the Sept with Tommen. Here is how it works...

Episode to episode, what was happening in Braavos was weeks or months before in Kings Landing. It was fairly clear that Meryn and Mace were only at Braavos a few days at most. Also, we are not sure how long Cersei was in custody before her Walk of Shame. So I suggest, Meryn gets killed. Mace heads back to KL. When he gets back he breaks the news to the council. Then finds out about his children(which is why he wasn't waiting for Cersei with the rest of the council). Qyburn submits Robert Strong as candidate in the name of the queen mother.


So did I leave any holes in this theory?
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Re: Counting to 7 the Kingsguard way

Postby JonDanyTyrionTeam » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:33 pm

Hey Donal,
There are already huge holes in the time frames so have at it. I'm of the belief that Cyborn went ahead and named Robert Strong before Kevin Lanister got to KingsLanding and whose going to argue with him when the High Sparrow might decide to come after Tomman. And what if that should happen?
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Re: Counting to 7 the Kingsguard way

Postby DonalWarren » Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:05 pm

You are probably right.
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Re: Counting to 7 the Kingsguard way

Postby DarrenT » Tue Jul 07, 2015 3:15 pm

My main concern with it is how Qyburn was even able to name someone to the Kingsguard. Especially someone that nobody knows and can therefore vouch for. Did he just present Tommen with a document that he signed? It seems like Kevan would have to be involved in that process and it seems very out of character for him to allow it.
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Re: Counting to 7 the Kingsguard way

Postby DonalWarren » Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:46 pm

In the book, Cersei pleads with Ke an to accept who Qyburn submits while she was still jailed. So with Kevan not coming to see her in the series, I was thrown for a loop.
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Re: Counting to 7 the Kingsguard way

Postby stevehouston » Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:23 pm

I remember Qyburn was expelled from the Citadel and stripped of his maester's chain because of his experiments with necromancy. It is those experiments (and others that he carried out with Cersei's permission in King's Landing) that have allowed him to resurrect the poison-ravaged body of Gregor Clegane.
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